ATP - informacje ogólne

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Extended US Open plan draws fire from outgoing ATP boss

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The outgoing boss of the ATP has come out against a proposal to extend the US Open to 15 days to placate American television interests.

Adam Helfant, leaving his job on December 31 after failing to come to a new contract agreement with the sanctioning body, told Bloomberg that the ATP is against the plan mooted by the American federation.

The only one of the four Grand Slams without a moveable roof over a showcourt - the French Open has one in the planning stages - was reduced to chaos at the latest edition by the weather, finishing on a Monday for a fourth straight year.

American television continues to demand back-to-back semi-finals and final for men, an unorthodox plan which denies players a rest day between big matches.

Player anger mounted in New York as scheduling became a joke, with strike talk in the air. The USTA said it is negotiating with its TV partner about just stretching the event out by a day to make the broadcaster happy.

“We are pleased the USTA is addressing as a priority the players’ concerns about scheduling the U.S. Open men’s semi-finals and finals on consecutive days,” Helfant told Bloomberg in a statement, “However, we don’t necessarily see how the right solution would be expanding the tournament to fifteen days."

The slippery slope to longer Slams was launched a few years ago in Paris when the French Open quietly began starting on a Sunday to nudge up box office takings. That move did not go unnoticed, but the event still ends on a Sunday with a traditional day off between the semis and final. Wimbledon manages to stage the world's most prestigious event in 13 days, taking the middle Sunday off.

The US event has managed for years to buck all convention, requiring the first round to be played over three rather than the customary two days, among other things. That creates a log-jam toward the end of the event if bad weather moves in as it has done for years now with regularity.


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Wywiad z Nickiem Bollettierim, przeprowadzony przed US Open. Ten amerykański szkoleniowiec jest dość kontrowersyjną postacią w tenisowym świecie, ale mimo wszystko warto się zapoznać z poniższym. Raz, że mówi dużo, dwa, że na temat wielu zawodników z ATP, oczywiście w szczególności o tych z absolutnego topu. ;)
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In tennis, 30 isn't what it once was

Bruce Jenkins

Roger Federer and Serena Williams were born within seven weeks of each other in 1981. So often they've been our barometers on the professional tours, giving clear signals as to how the sport is progressing and what it takes to be on top. It's just that they're feeling a bit ancient these days. In contrast to storied eras of the past, this is no time to be an over-30 tennis player.

Put it this way: The Champions Series, featuring the likes of John McEnroe, Andre Agassi and Pete Sampras on a nationwide tour, is for players over 30. It seems to mark a kind of expiration date. At the NBA's All-Star weekend (when the league used to have a legends exhibition) or a baseball old-timers' game, the former greats tend to be closer to 50 -- even 60, in some cases. Not in tennis. Federer could retire from the tour and join McEnroe's bunch at will.

Will Federer or Serena ever win another major? Some say no; they're on an irreversible descent. Others foresee a few last hurrahs. But it's remarkable to find them under such scrutiny, especially in light of the game's glorious history.

Bill Tilden, the man largely responsible for America's attraction to tennis in the 1920s, was a viable, often unbeatable player well into his 40s. Pancho Gonzalez, believed to be the finest pure talent of them all (and likely the most passionate), dominated the original pro circuit in his 30s and engaged Charlie Pasarell in an epic Wimbledon first-rounder at the age of 41, winning a two-day affair by scores of 22-24, 1-6, 16-14, 6-3, 11-9. The incomparable Rod Laver was 31 when he won his second Grand Slam, in 1969, becoming the last man to do so. The most recent U.S. Open celebrated Jimmy Connors and his stirring run to the 1991 semifinals at the age of 39.

Others who continued to look very familiar in Grand Slam singles after turning 30:

Billie Jean King: Won both the U.S. Open and Wimbledon.

Martina Navratilova: Two Wimbledons and one U.S. Open (and she was still playing majors at 48).

Chris Evert: Two French Opens -- and reached the semifinals in 11 other majors.

Margaret Court: Won the Australian, French and U.S. Opens the year she turned 31.

British heroines Ann Haydon Jones and Virginia Wade: Both 31 when they won their cherished Wimbledon.

Pete Sampras: U.S. Open.

Roy Emerson: French Open.

John Newcombe: Australian Open.

Arthur Ashe: Wimbledon.

Simply put, it was common to see great players not only compete into their 30s but also dominate the competition. Watching the great Ken Rosewall play such fine, effortless-looking tennis into middle age, one couldn't help but savor his unfettered love of the game. With the onset of the turbulent 1960s, though, came the age of tennis "burnouts," players prematurely derailed by drugs, obsessive parents, conflicting interests or the opulent tennis lifestyle. There were great riches to be made, enabling players to make a fortune and move on.

The game itself became more demanding, with the arrival of metal rackets, specialized strings, the two-handed backhand, superior athletes, big-hitting baseliners and the evolution into a more physically demanding sport than ever before. Watching old films and videos, even matches as recently as 20 years ago, it's almost comical to compare the speed and pace to today's streamlined version.

And so, for innumerable reasons, we find that many of the all-time greats -- McEnroe, Bjorn Borg, Ivan Lendl, Boris Becker, Stefan Edberg, Steffi Graf -- won their last majors before turning 30, if not retiring outright. Andy Roddick turns 30 next year, and he has spent years attacking the game with a fervor reminiscent of Jim Courier, who recently told him, "I ran myself into the ground. I overworked myself and I was done by 27, 28. You're heading down the same path. You need to pull back a little bit."

The last man to win a major after his 30th birthday was Agassi, at the 2003 Australian, and now the focus is on Federer, who has gone seven Slams without winning -- an epic drought, by his standards.

"The aging factor does play its part in all this," Mark Woodforde, the Australian doubles specialist who had success well into his 30s, told CNN. "How your body recovers after longer matches. How you mentally recover. Believe it or not, your ability to weather the storm becomes unstable.You become more irritated, on and off the court, dealing with situations. I reckon you also become more nervous in matches when the big moments arrive.

"For someone [Federer] who will be remembered as [arguably] the greatest, will he be satisfied playing second fiddle to Rafa [Nadal], Novak [Djokovic], [Andy] Murray and others as he moves into his 30s?"

It seems undeniable, on both the men's and women's tours, that the day of the teenage world-beater is gone. The game's intensely demanding nature requires maturity, physical strength and experience. As such, you'd think that perhaps players would stick around longer, upholding the great tradition of over-30 accomplishments. But it hasn't worked that way. Prime-time careers are growing shorter on both ends. We've seen some throwback moments on the women's side -- Francesca Schiavone and Li Na were 29 when they won the 2010 and '11 French Opens, respectively -- and Navratilova recently predicted to The New York Times, "You will see more players excelling between the ages of 25 and 30 than from 20 to 25. Everything's getting older. I don't think you'll see people win Slams at 35, but 30 is not the cutoff point that it used to be."

Serena will be a fascinating test case. Opposing players marvel at her ability to take time off (injured or not), show up at a major and literally play her way into top shape during the tournament, peaking by the final weekend. That becomes a more difficult proposition with age, but Serena gave every indication of having worked out extensively -- under the watch of noted trainer Mackie Shilstone -- over the past two years. She appears quite willing to put in the work, and she was playing well enough to be considered a heavy favorite (even if it didn't work out that way) at this year's U.S. Open.

Then again, she's Serena. She could retire tomorrow or win five or six majors over the next few years. It's a venture into the great unknown, and in that, she shares something with Federer. Just remember that if they stand in a Grand Slam winner's circle, as thousands cheer, it will hardly be without precedent.
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ATP breaks out the bubbly with champagne sponsor

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It looks like party time on the ATP after classic French marque Moët & Chandon was named as the official champagne of men's tennis.

The chilled champers might go nicely at future celebrations with Mexican Corona beer, whose logo has graced match nets around the world for more than a year.

With money still tight, tennis is keen to pick up any sponsors going - whether they fit of not into the marketing demographic. While players might not be considered prime users of the bubbly new sponsor, ATP officials, chair umpires and the media would certainly qualify as champagne consumers.

The ATP might also be laying on the proper sponsor in anticipation of finally naming a new head of the organisation as lame-duck Adam Helfant prepares to depart after two years. The first test sponsor generosity will come within weeks at the ATP World Tour Finals in London.

The beverage firm is set to host a new exclusive red carpet charity gala on November 17th, with benefits going to the Great Ormond Street Hospital Children's Charity.

The ATP might be looking quite clever at filling an empty sponsorship niche, but the first strike on the champagne front went to the money hawks of the US Open, which have already snared Moet as their champagne sponsor. The company is also well-represented at Roland Garros - naturally.

The champagne house was founded in 1743 by Claude Moët and is the bottle of choice for christening new racing yachts. The motosport world's traditional winner's champagne spray might perhaps now be slowly making its way to tournament closing ceremonies as well.
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Have String Technology and Slower Surfaces Helped the Returner?
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Roger wyraźnie się odciął od narzekań na długość sezonu i trzeba przyznać bardzo dosadnie wygarnął co nieco swoim kolegom, szczególnie Maremu:
Federer fine with length of season

Don’t count on Roger Federer to join in on the chorus of complaints about the length of season. He’s fine with the way the schedule is and thinks it’s up to the players to manage their schedule correctly in order to avoid injury and burnout.

“It’s better to have too many than too few tournaments,” Federer said. “The season cannot be too long when Andy [Murray] requested a wildcard. I think he knows not quite what he wants.”

Zing! I guess you’re on your own, Andy.

Federer’s comment comes after several other top players have voiced concerns with length of the tennis schedule. From the Associated Press:

“Murray, Rafael Nadal and Andy Roddick have been among the most vocal in urging changes to the packed tennis calendar and the number of events the top players are required to enter each year.

Last November, the ATP decided to extend the tennis offseason from five to seven weeks in response to years of complaints from players about the length of the season and the toll it takes on their bodies.

But other issues came to a head during the rain-soaked U.S. Open, when Nadal, Murray and Roddick voiced concerns about the conditions of the courts and the schedule that forced Nadal to play three matches in three days.

Since then, Roddick has pushed for the creation of a players’ union similar to those in other major pro sports that could act on players’ behalf in negotiations with ATP officials.”
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Viewpoint: Rankings should reflect one year, not two

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Nadal expressed his desire for a two-year ranking system at the French Open, and hopes to see it through. (AP Photo)

In the corridors of power at the O2 Arena—home of the approaching ATP World Tour Finals—and hotels in central London, there is chatter going on about changing the method of calculating the men's rankings, going from a one-year/12-month cycle of results to a two-year/24-month cycle.

Rafael Nadal, along with other top players, is a strong advocate of changing the rankings, while Roger Federer is not at all anxious to break with the traditional way that things are done, an impeccable source indicated.

The matter came to light during this year’s French Open when Nadal, then the world No. 1, championed the idea of expanding the results period used to determine the rankings as a way to help prolong the careers of the top players. It would tie in with the way professional golf established its rankings, which is over a two-year period, with the most recent year’s worth of results weighed more highly than the preceding year’s.

Nadal was quoted in a wire story last May as saying, “to have a longer career (the solution) is to have two years of ranking. Not only one year.” He was partly relating that to Juan Martin del Potro, who was on a comeback after missing most of 2010 with a wrist injury that required surgery, and was facing then-world No. 2 Novak Djokovic in the third round of Roland Garros. As early-round opponents go, it was an incredibly tough ask, even for the 2009 U.S. Open champ. “(With a two-year rolling ranking system) if you stop being No. 5 of the world, you’re not gonna be No. 6 when you come back, but maybe you’re gonna be No. 14, 15,” Nadal suggested. “But with the way the ranking is done today, that's not happening. If you have an injury for three months, five months, you're done.”

The ATP computer rankings were introduced in 1973. They were a total game-changing innovation—arguably greater than anything that has happened in tennis since that time. Instead of individuals, panels, or interest groups determining rankings, entry into and seeding at tournaments, there was an objective measure related solely to on-court results. They have functioned incredibly well and few changes have been made to the method behind the rankings, issued every Monday by the ATP.

It would be wrong to change to a two-year system, and here is a summary of the reasons why:

1. Tennis should be a meritocracy, where good results are rewarded and advancement is possible based on performance. By using a two-year sample size, players will stay at the top longer once they have been established, making it more difficult to other players to progress up through the ranks. With the introduction of the Masters 1000 tournaments in 2009, and points also doubled to give Grand Slam winners 2000, there was a downgrading of points for many other players, including significant reductions at the Challenger- and Futures-level tournaments.

That has already made it much more difficult to rise up the rankings, and a two-year ranking cycle would create a further obstacle.

2. Does tennis really want to be like golf, which uses a two-year cycle for its Official World Golf Ranking, after the recent case of Tiger Woods? After his personal debacle began at the end of 2009, Woods held on to his No. 1 ranking for almost the entire 2010 season, despite not playing for several months and then going winless when he did.

It seemed ludicrous that Woods was still in the top spot nearly a year after his last title, but he had back-loaded points in the 24-month cycle from what he had done the previous year. He was finally succeeded by Lee Westwood in November 2010. Incidentally, Woods is No. 50 at the moment. “He stayed No. 1 because of what he had done some time ago,” noted Canadian golf writer Lorne Rubenstein of the Globe and Mail. “He was there until what he'd done two years ago started to slip away.”

3. The argument about a two-year cycle helping prevent injuries because players don’t have to play as much to maintain their rankings ignores the fact that there is a rule in place—a protected ranking—to allow players who miss at least six months to return with special exemptions for nine tournaments or nine months.

A more proper way to day with this complaint would be to revamp the crowded yearly calendar.

4. All tennis records related to rankings—including Pete Sampras’ total of 286 weeks at No. 1—have been achieved under a one-year ranking cycle. If an additional 12 months are added to the rankings formula, then it introduces a new criterion that significantly affects the record books.

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The top players already receive benefits for the their high rankings, including being seeded, given byes and allowed certain written and unwritten privileges in matters such as when and where they play their matches at tournaments. Changing the one-year cycle to a two-year cycle would fundamentally alter the upward mobility of the lower-ranked players because the top strata would be more entrenched over a longer period.

With the notable exception of the ATP’s ill-conceived attempt to impose a year-to-date Race over the traditional Rankings, circa 2000, the rankings have been remarkably free of criticism and served the sport well as a measurement of performance. There is no need to change them. And even if a serious attempt is made to introduce a two-year cycle, it is highly unlikely it would gain the support of the mid- and lower-ranked players. Why would they support a system that basically makes things more comfortable for those at the top and harder for players further down and aspiring to move up?

With Nadal and Federer on opposite sides of this issue, it might add just a little extra intensity to their round-robin match next week at the World Tour Finals.

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Legends discuss their glory days and the current state of men's tennis

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Novak Djokovic, Roger Federer, Rafa Nadal and Andy Murray are among the stars that will contest the year-ending ATP World Tour Finals at London's O2 this week.

It's the perfect time, then, to assess the state of men's tennis with some all-time greats who also happen to be former winners of the World Tour Finals.

Ladies and gentlemen, quiet please for Bjorn Borg, John McEnroe and Ilie Nastase...

Firstly, Bjorn. When you were playing there was no sign of any emotion on your face. But what was going on in your head during a match?

Bjorn Borg: Of course, there are emotions inside but I just managed to handle everything in the right way. If you made bad points or bad mistakes you get mad and angry. But if you compare me to John, he was always playing angry, but I was a different person. Of course, I had the emotions inside. When I got back to the hotel with my coach then I let my emotion out. I could tell him what an idiot he was or something and he understood me. He left me to do my own thing.

John, when you look back on your career do you ever get embarrassed by how you behaved on court?

John McEnroe: Let me put this to you. YouTube is only a recent invention. And now I have my kids saying to me: "What in the hell were you doing?" Sometimes they look at it saying: "That's really funny! Look at the old man! That's pretty pathetic!" but I think that if you go through life and you've not been embarrassed by anything you've done that would be pretty remarkable to put it mildly. To quote a US president who said about 100 years ago: "It's better to try and fail rather than not try at all". So I went out with the attitude that "Yes, I was going to make some mistakes, there were certainly some things that if I could take back I would take back but I felt that hopefully that people who came to see me play got their money's worth and saw someone that played with passion and cared about the sport and hopefully they would look differently later on.

Ilie. Who did you find to be the tougher opponent, John or Bjorn?

Ilie Nastase: Actually John was a little bit behind us. I played him when he was 15 or 16 at Virginia Beach and it was the only time I beat him.

John McEnroe: No, it wasn't - but thank you for remembering it that way!

Ilie Nastase: I looked at John and said: "Who is this crazy guy? He's a kamikaze!" Anyway, I had great matches against Bjorn. Some of the matches I cheated on because you were still young, and I was cheating a lot. I knew that when we played the Monte Carlo final and the final in Madrid. I cheated a lot.

How did you cheat? I was putting pressure on the umpires to give me the calls, the close calls went my way. Everyone else was doing it - I can tell you that.

Fast forward to today. How do you think technology has changed the game?

Ilie Nastase: It's not only tennis - you can see it in skiing, golf. The talent's okay, but if you've got a good racket, the racket matters. I can see it for myself. When I was World number one, I served slower than I do now with this racket, at 64.

Bjorn Borg: I think the biggest revolution in rackets has been the material on the string. When we played we had a gap down the strings and it was limp, but today, it's amazing what you can do with a tennis ball.

John McEnroe: It would have been interesting to see the players of today play with a version of the rackets that we used. They are bigger, stronger, and have better access to training than we had and they are more aware of what they need, and what they should eat. Along with the strings that Bjorn mentioned, I'd love to see the best players - the Federers, the Nadals - play with the wooden racket.

Inevitably we have to ask why has Andy Murray not won a Grand Slam yet?

Bjorn Borg: He is definitely ready to win the big ones. Murray's fine in serving and passing. He's playing great tennis. He has the game. He has to get everything together for the two weeks. I know he's working hard. He's definitely got the chance to be the best player in the world.

Ilie Nastase: I think what happened to Murray, happened to [Tim] Henman. He played against Sampras during an unbelievable career. And now Murray is playing with Federer and Nadal, and it will be more difficult.

Bjorn Borg: Your dream is to win a Grand Slam. I remember in my first US Open final I was playing [Jimmy] Connors and I lost a close match. A lot of people came up to me saying: 'Don't worry, you'll win a US Open', but you've got to take the chance when you get it. I had four finals there but didn't win. It was a disappointment.

John McEnroe: There are certain athletes in certain sports where you expect it to happen. Quite honestly, I expected it to happen to me. It wasn't as big a deal back in my day as it is now, when people are also concerned about how much time you have before you win one. There are others where it's a once-in-a-lifetime achievement so it's the defining moment in their lives. And for some players the pressure slowly but surely builds - like for Andy Murray - where it's not as much a shoo-in as it seemed maybe 12 months ago.

How do you rank Nadal and Federer among the all-time greats?

John McEnroe: Roger is an incredible player and one of the best who ever lived. But having said that, what Nadal's done now, won the Olympics, has a winning record against Federer and has won two Davis Cups, there's an argument to be made that Nadal is the greatest player to ever to play the sport. If he remains healthy he'll be the greatest player who ever lived.

Bjorn Borg: I agree. If Rafa remains healthy and motivated, I'm sure he'll win more Grand Slam tournaments. Right now, Roger is the best player who ever played, but Rafa has the chance to be the best player.

Ilie Nastase: I think each great tennis player has his time, and we should protect that. When [Rod] Laver was the best, everyone looked up to Laver. When Bjorn was the best, everyone looked up to him. We have to keep it that way because we cannot say that Federer was the best. Maybe in ten years there will be someone better than Federer! In soccer it's the same thing - people compare Pele and Maradona. It's stupid to compare. I think we have to wait a little for the best champion of this time.
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Noah oskarża: Magiczny napój Hiszpanów
Triumfator Rolanda Garrosa z 1983 roku i kapitan kobiecej reprezentacji Francji Yannick Noah zastanawia się, czy Hiszpanie przyjmują "magiczny napój", który pozwala im wygrywać w różnych dyscyplinach sportu. Słynny francuski tenisista nawiązuje do bajek z Asterixem i Obelixem w rolach głównych. Kontekst jest czytelny.
Czyli dopingowy. Wszyscy pamiętamy cudowny eliksir siły z bajek Rene Gościnnego. W dzieciństwie Obelix wpadł do kotła z magicznym napojem, który dał mu nadzwyczajne możliwości. Sympatyczny Gal na naszych oczach wykorzystywał ją później wielokrotnie. Noah sugeruje, że z takim „kociołkiem" związane mogą być też sukcesy hiszpańskich sportowców.


- Jak to możliwe, by naród praktycznie z dnia na dzień zrobił takie postępy i zaczął tak dominować? Czy oni wymyślili jakieś awangardowe techniki treningu, których nikt sobie wcześniej nie wyobrażał? Szukałem, ale jakoś ich nie znalazłem – komentuje. I nie chodzi mu tylko o tylko o tenis, na podobne zjawisko wskazuje w piłce nożnej, koszykówce czy kolarstwie.


- W sprawie Fuentesa nic w Hiszpanii nie zrobiono – twierdzi. I opowiada, o czym szepcze się jego zdaniem za kulisami. O ludziach, którzy wygrywają, bo wyślizgują się z sieci i są szybsi niż kontrolerzy. Noah proponuje więc radykalne rozwiązania: zalegalizować doping. – Pozwólmy każdemu mieć swój magiczny napój – prowokuje.


Na oskarżenia, które dziwnym trafem zbiegły się z początkiem tenisowego turnieju Masters, w którym startuje dwóch Hiszpanów, Rafael Nadal i David Ferrer, ostro zareagował ten drugi. – Twój syn – zwrócił się za pośrednictwem dziennikarzy do Noaha – gra w Chicago Bulls. W NBA nie przeprowadza się żadnych kontroli – przypomniał, oceniając byłego mistrza jako totalnego ignoranta.


Na Twitterze zareagował również inny hiszpański zawodnik, Feliciano Lopez. – Szkoda, że dawni bohaterowie wygadują takie głupoty – napisał.
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Najwyższy czas ustosunkować się do niektórych opinii na temat Federera.

Federer od 2008 roku niestety powoli niknie z krótkimi przebłyskami. W wielu przeciętnych i słabych meczach, jakie rozegrał w obecnym sezonie, zwyczajnie zastanawiałem się, gdzie podział się ten dawny forehand, szybkość i sprężystość ruchów, dobieg do piłki i antycypacja. W latach 2004-2007 uderzał przede wszystkim silniej i bardziej precyzyjnie z obu stron i jeśli już przegrywał, to z lepszym akurat tego dnia ball-strikerem (Nalbandian, Safin, Gasquet) albo z defensorem lub counter-puncherem (Nadal, Canas). Teraz często prezentuje jakieś góra 50% tego co kiedyś (zaliczył kilka spotkań, po których sam skłaniałem się do tego, żeby zaczął myśleć o końcu kariery) i gadanie, że inni się podszkolili i dlatego spada w rankingu to jakieś brednie. Gołym okiem widać, że niekiedy jedzie na oparach, jest wolny i niepewny uderzeń. I zaznaczam, że nie mówiłem nigdy, że Nadal z Djokoviciem nie zrobili postępów. Chodzi mi jedynie o to, co uważa większość słuchanych przeze mnie komentatorów angielskich i część z Was, a mianowicie, że Roger gra tak jak kiedyś, tyle że inni po prostu go dogonili.

Na szczęście jednak Federerowi przydarzają się jeszcze mecze, po których zawsze będę twierdził, że grając optymalnie na trawie i hardzie jest istną maszyną, której w nowoczesnym tenisie tylko Sampras i mega zmotywowany Agassi mogliby się jakoś przeciwstawić.
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Można również skrócić twój wywód do stwierdzenia, że się starzeje, a wszystko inne to pochodne tego procesu.
"Zabrałem kiedyś Rafaela wraz z Pico Monaco na ryby. Pamiętam, że chłopcy niezwykle radowali się na myśl o spędzeniu w taki sposób tamtego poranka - lato miało się już ku końcowi i była to jedna z ostatni okazji, by złowić kilka moren przed zamknięciem sezonu. Przypominam sobie bardzo dokładnie moment, gdy Rafael próbował po raz pierwszy zarzucić swoją wędkę , siedząc na skraju barki. Samą czynność wykonał nienagannie - widać było gołym okiem, że chłopak ma do wędkarstwa talent i czerpie z niego wielką przyjemność. Mimo to nie omieszkałem zbliżyć się do mojego bratanka, po czym chwyciłem go dosyć łagodnie, acz pewnie za muskularne prawe ramię, którym to przed chwilą zarzucił energicznie żyłkę wraz ze spławikiem i rzekłem: 'Którą ręką Cię uczyłem?'" Toni Nadal, Życie moje
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Re: ATP - rozważania ogólne

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Wujek Toni pisze:Można również skrócić twój wywód do stwierdzenia, że się starzeje, a wszystko inne to pochodne tego procesu.
No tak, po co się rozwodzić? Po każdym meczu najlepiej napisać "raz się wygrywa, raz się przegrywa" i tyle w temacie. :D

Johnathan, Twój post to znakomity wstęp do ciekawego tematu, który zapewne jutro wydzielę. Jest o czym dyskutować.
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Re: ATP - rozważania ogólne

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DUN I LOVE pisze:
Wujek Toni pisze:Można również skrócić twój wywód do stwierdzenia, że się starzeje, a wszystko inne to pochodne tego procesu.
No tak, po co się rozwodzić? Po każdym meczu najlepiej napisać "raz się wygrywa, raz się przegrywa" i tyle w temacie. :D
Widzę, że nie tylko Fed prezentuje jesienią wyborną formę. :D

Proporcja ilości spotkań znakomitych do przeciętnych będzie niestety u Feda stale spadać, a średnia jakość gry w owych przeciętnych też będzie wyraźnie niższa niż dawniej, pojawiać się też niestety będą coraz częściej spotkania mierne; taka już kolej rzeczy.
Aczkolwiek uważam, że jeszcze kilka razy uda się dopasować wszystkie klocki w skali całego turnieju; oby wielkoszlemowego.
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johnathan pisze:
Na szczęście jednak Federerowi przydarzają się jeszcze mecze, po których zawsze będę twierdził, że grając optymalnie na trawie i hardzie jest istną maszyną, której w nowoczesnym tenisie tylko Sampras i mega zmotywowany Agassi mogliby się jakoś przeciwstawić.

Za czasów Federera zdecydowanie był najwyższy poziom tenisa w latach 2001-2011. Jako czasy Federera oceniam okres 2004-2007.

Gra po prostu słabiej i tyle. Poziom perfekcji jaki utrzymywał w latach 2004-2007 był taki jaki utrzymywał Nadal w 2008. Do tego potencjał Federera był dużo większy, chociaż nigdy obiektywnie rzecz biorąc, nie był to mój ulubiony tenisista. Główne zarzuty to za mało ryzyka, za dużo gry na punkty, za mało luzu i ekstremalnych występów.

Teraz poziom tenisa jest słaby, bo cała generacja odchodzi również z pokolenia Federera, a nowa lepsza nie jest. Ciekawi zawodnicy odpływają systematycznie, a zastępują ich słabe nazwiska, chociaż taki Soderling na RG 2009, czy 2010 byłby zawsze trudny do pokonania dla każdego tenisisty. Natomiast nie zgadzam się z tym, że kiedyś Federera mógłby ograć tylko Sampras czy Agassi. Kiedyś była inna gra, inne piłki i nawierzchnie, inne też naciągi. Unowocześnienie gry zdecydowanie wypadło na korzyść Federerowi, zwłaszcza jeśli chodzi o grę z głębi kortu, i rotacje awansujące. w latach 90tych podział na defensorów i idących do przodu był zdecydowanie zarysowany, bo taka taktyka półśrodków za bardzo się nie opłacała. Zawodnicy byli precyzyjni jak żyletki, a o wyniku decydowała technika a nie atletyzm. W swoich czasach Federer zagospodarował centro-ofensywę nie mając już zagrożenia ze strony bardziej ofensywnych graczy, dla których czasy nastały ciężkie. Duże piłki, miękkie nawierzchnie, eliminacja hal, wysokie odskoki piłki, naciągi Luxilon które zamieniły tenis w grę gumiastą. To jest też jeden z powodów że na dziś więcej zyskują tacy elastyczni kontrująco-defensywni gracze, jak Murray, chociażby. Zawodnik ultra ofensywny raczej jeśli już jest opiera się nie na technice i precyzji ale na sile fizycznej i energii, jak to jest w przypadku Tsongi na przykład. Nie dlatego że inaczej nie umie, ale dlatego że inaczej dziś jest już nieskutecznie. Federer zdominował więc erę nie dlatego że był obiektywnie najlepszym zawodnikiem swojego pokolenia, chociaż pewnie najbardziej ambitnym, ale dlatego przede wszystkim że w tej erze warunki sprzyjały takie over-court centro-ofensywnej opartej na rotacjach i elastyczności grze. W latach 90tych grało się nieco inaczej przede wszystkim więcej techniki, i większe prędkości, nie generowane przez naciągi ale po kontakcie piłki z nawierzchnią, ale też lżejsza piłka, niższy odskok, nietępe nawierzchnie, i zdecydowanie trudniejszy sprzęt do opanowania (naciągi i ramy), nawet jak teoretyczny komfort rakiet 1998, i 2008 był zbliżony. Dziś piłkę można wepchnąć czubkiem ramy, kiedyś trzeba było zagać środkiem rakiety.
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Odnośnie zmian w szybkości kortów, Tsonga wygrał tegoroczną "klasyfikację snajperów" z 825 asami.
15 lat temu Ivanisević zaserwował ich 1449 :D
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robpal pisze:Odnośnie zmian w szybkości kortów, Tsonga wygrał tegoroczną "klasyfikację snajperów" z 825 asami.
15 lat temu Ivanisević zaserwował ich 1449 :D
Widać, jak wielkie są te różnice.
Nie trzeba patrzeć tak daleko wstecz. Bodajże 2 lata temu Karlović zaserwował ponad 1000 asów.
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1000 jest chyba dość regularnie przekraczany. A różnica między 1000 a 800 nie jest tak wielka ;)
W każdym razie, zdziwiła mnie ta statystyka.
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robpal pisze:1000 jest chyba dość regularnie przekraczany. A różnica między 1000 a 800 nie jest tak wielka ;)
W każdym razie, zdziwiła mnie ta statystyka.
Jak Raonek zacznie dochodzić do dalszych faz turnieju to i asów będzie 1000 :) .
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