RAK ALERT: wojna o nieśmiertelność (24-22-20)

[Starigniter]

Fed widzę od 2010 zaczął na dobre kolekcjonować

A od 2018 zaczął dodatkowo to robić w finałach ważnych imprez...

[Robertinho]

Jeśli zaś szukać przyczyn przyszłego JUGOATA, to w 15-3 widać je najlepiej; Serb po prostu przegrywa niemal wyłącznie te mecze, w których jest wyraźnie słabszy, bo takich, w których był słabszy, a i tak wygrał, jest cała masa. U Nadala, a już zwłaszcza Federera, to się zdarzało dużo rzadziej.

[Starigniter]

Ekhem...
Nie wiem, czy zauważyłeś, ale na dole jest poprawiona statystyka.

[Robertinho]

Ekhem...
Nie wiem, czy zauważyłeś, ale na dole jest poprawiona statystyka.

Szczerze mówiąc, nie odnajduję się w chaosie tamtego posta, ale jak rozumiem Fed przegrał 24 takie mecze, czyli mamy blisko 20% urobku w 3 sezony, także dalej można powtórzyć, że po powrocie jego psychika osiągnęła dno dna, a #40-15 było logiczne do bólu, biorąc po uwagę rywala.

[Starigniter]

Co jest niejasne?

[Kiefer]

Ekhem...
Nie wiem, czy zauważyłeś, ale na dole jest poprawiona statystyka.

Szczerze mówiąc, nie odnajduję się w chaosie tamtego posta, ale jak rozumiem Fed przegrał 24 takie mecze, czyli mamy blisko 20% urobku w 3 sezony, także dalej można powtórzyć, że po powrocie jego psychika osiągnęła dno dna, a #40-15 było logiczne do bólu, biorąc po uwagę rywala.

40-15 to była po prostu puenta.
Najzabawniejsze jednak, że mimo tylu porażek na styk mógł tamtym meczem, rozgrywanym w takich okolicznościach, niemal wszystko bolesne co było puścić w niepamięć.

[Starigniter]

Mały edit do mojego przydługiego posta:
-Novak wygrał turniej w Dubaju, więc odpowiednia linijka powinna być pogrubiona
-i oczywiście 2 MP w finale Wimbledonu

[Barty]

Poprawione, @Starigniter.

Coraz więcej zagorzałych statystyków na forum nam się pokazuje.

[DUN I LOVE]

Sport to statystyka.

[Kamileki]

Sport to statystyka.

Sport to emocje.

[DUN I LOVE]

Statystyki generują emocje.

[Starigniter]

Poprawione, @Starigniter.

Coraz więcej zagorzałych statystyków na forum nam się pokazuje.

To dopisz jeszcze Rogerowi 2MP (wiadomo w którym meczu) proszę

Taaak, jeszcze na SF byłem drugim (za Kamilekim) człowiekiem od starystyk portalu.

Można jeszcze w ten sposób analizować tę tabelę:
Trójka Djokovic-Murray-Nadal (Rafolandy?) razem 16 meczów ze zmarnowanymi MP, sam Roger 24.
0 w WS, Fed 6 w WS, w tym finał i 2 SF.
Roger nigdy nie obronił mistrzowskiej piłki, a tamtej trójce nawet jeszcze nie chce mi się liczyć.
Wiem też, że stosunek piłek obronionych-zmarnowanych przez Novaka to kosmiczne 44-7, czyli 85%.

[Starigniter]

Sport to statystyka.

Sport to emocje.

Sport to wykorzystywanie okazji i nie marnowanie 40-15.

[Robertinho]

Trochę taka dyskusja eunuchów o Kamasutrze.

[DUN I LOVE]

xD

[DUN I LOVE]

STAN NA 15.07.2020 (po Wimbledonie20)

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Roger Federer - 20 tytułów:

newsx.com

Wiek: 38 lat, 11 miesięcy
Ostatni tytuł: Australian Open 2018

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Rafael Nadal - 19 tytułów:

sport.pl

Wiek: 34 lata, 1 miesiąc
Ostatni tytuł: Roland Garros 2019
Najwcześniej wyrówna: US Open 2020 (34 lata, 3 miesiące)
Najwcześniej pobije: Roland Garros 2020 (34 lata, 4 miesiące)

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Novak Djoković - 17 tytułów:

SportoweFakty - WP

Wiek: 33 lata, 2 miesięce
Ostatni tytuł: Australian Open 2020
Najwcześniej wyrówna: Australian Open 2021 (33 lata, 7 miesiący)
Najwcześniej pobije: Roland Garros 2021 (34 lata)

[Kamileki]

[DUN I LOVE]

Niewątpliwie drugą dekadę XXI wieku należy powtórzyć.

[Damian]

Tenis. Fabio Fognini uważa, że Novak Djoković może pobić wielkoszlemowy rekord Rogera Federera

Spoiler:

Fabio Fognini uważa, że Novak Djoković ma szansę, by zostać najbardziej utytułowanym tenisistą w historii. - Myślę, że może poprawić rekord Federera - stwierdził Włoch.


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Wygrywając Australian Open 2020, Novak Djoković zdobył 17. w karierze wielkoszlemowy tytuł. Daje mu to trzecie miejsce w klasyfikacji wszech czasów za Rogerem Federerem (20 zwycięstw w imprezach Wielkiego Szlema) i Rafaelem Nadalem (19). Sam Serb jasno deklaruje, że pobicie osiągnięcia Szwajcara jest jego celem.
Djoković jest przekonany, że zostanie najbardziej utytułowanym tenisistą w historii. Podobnego zdania jest także wielu obserwatorów rozgrywek. W możliwości swojego rywala z zawodowych kortów, ale zarazem kolegi wierzy również Fabio Fognini.

- Znamy się, odkąd mieliśmy po 14 lat - mówił Włoch o Serbie, cytowany przez portal ubitennis.net. - Już wtedy miał żelazny charakter i było jasne, że osiągnie wspaniałe rzeczy. Spośród "Wielkiej Trójki" jest tym, który może dokonać najwięcej ze względu na wszystko - głowę, ciało i głód. Myślę, że może poprawić rekord Federera - stwierdził.


Fognini i Djoković są w dobrej relacji. Kilka tygodni temu transmitowali na żywo rozmowę na Instagramie. - Często ze sobą rozmawiamy. Tamta pogawędka była dobra. Pytałem go o medytację. Może mi się to przydać - wyjawił Włoch.

Novak Djoković rozmawiał z Fabio Fogninim. Mówili o tenisie i medytacji

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Czy zgadzasz się z opinią Fabio Fogniniego?

https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/tenis/88381 ... rekord-rog

[Damian]

Novak Djokovic's prediction of breaking Roger Federer's Grand Slam title record is on point

Spoiler:

"I believe I can win the most Slams and break the record for longest No. 1. Those are definitely my clear goals."

That's what Novak Djokovic said on "In Depth with Graham Bensinger" last week. It was a pretty innocuous comment, especially by Djokovic's standards, but it made waves in allowing us to further a debate that has been ongoing for years.

For about the past decade, we've been living through the most incredible three-way race tennis has seen. After Roger Federer won 15 of 25 Grand Slam tournaments from 2003 to 2009, breaking Pete Sampras' career record before Federer's 28th birthday, it appeared as if he was about to not only break the all-time record, but park it so far out on the horizon that no one could ever catch him. Then, Rafael Nadal began to reel him in, winning three Slams in 2010 and nearly every French Open since. Finally, Djokovic figured out the perfect mix of fitness and tenacity to get past Nadal, winning three Slams in 2011 and five of six in 2015-16.

The three are now first, second and third on the career Grand Slams list: Federer with 20, Nadal 19, Djokovic 17. They have combined to win 56 of the past 66 Slams, and over the years, each has put together "greatest of all time" credentials for fans to debate.

Federer fans can point to the fact that he came first and forced everyone to raise their game. He indeed still holds the records for most Slam titles and weeks at No. 1, plus the most Slam final, semifinal and quarterfinal appearances and most hard- and grass-court matches won. He also has the longest win streak against top-10 opponents.

Nadal fans can point out that he has not only dominated one surface like no player in history (he has won 12 French Opens), but also beat prime Federer on Federer's best surface -- Nadal won their epic 2008 Wimbledon final, then took the 2010 crown, as well -- and holds the head-to-head wins edge, 24-16.

Djokovic fans can note that he had to surpass both Federer and Nadal in their primes and holds the head-to-head edge over both (29-26 vs. Nadal, 27-23 vs. Federer). He already has earned more money than both and has spent 73 more weeks at No. 1 than Nadal has, as well. At 282 total weeks, he trails only Sampras (286) and Federer (310).

It's a nearly perfect debate, but only for now. The odds of Djokovic eventually blowing past both Federer and Nadal in most categories are pretty good.

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Djokovic's Australian Open win in January brought him to within three of the career lead, and Wimbledon's 2020 cancellation effectively eliminated Federer's best shot at a 21st title. (Since Djokovic has won two of the past three at the All England Club, it probably hurt his quest a bit, too.)

If both the US Open and French Open actually take place this fall as currently scheduled, Nadal will have an excellent shot at tying Federer by the end of the year. But Djokovic would be the betting favorite at the US Open, and he could certainly be at 18 (or possibly 19) by the end of 2020, as well. If Djokovic were to take both titles, the race would be all but over.

As for the weeks at No. 1 record, it seems more of a "when" than an "if."

Between injuries and the fact that his best surface (clay) isn't featured as much as hard courts on tour, Nadal has lagged behind both Federer and Djokovic in this race. With 209 weeks at No. 1, he's more than a year behind the top five.

1. Roger Federer (310)

2. Pete Sampras (286)

3. Novak Djokovic (282)

4. Ivan Lendl (270)

5. Jimmy Connors (268)

(At 41 weeks, Andy Murray is the only other active player to top the charts. No other active player has ranked even second.)


Time may not be on Roger Federer's side but he indeed holds the records for most Grand Slam titles (20) and weeks at No. 1 (310). Adrian Dennis/Pool Photo via AP
Federer's unholy dominance in the time before Nadal's and Djokovic's respective peaks shines through here. He topped the ATP rankings for 237 consecutive weeks between 2004 and 2008, then padded his career lead by taking over again for nearly a year in 2009-10 and in brief stints in 2012 and 2018.

Before tournaments stopped in March, though, Djokovic had been No. 1 for 59 of the previous 72 weeks. And in the current rankings, only Nadal could provide a threat anytime soon. Djokovic had the most points and was in by far the strongest form.

PLAYER AGE ATP RANK ATP POINTS RECORD SINCE US OPEN
Novak Djokovic 32 1 10,220 34-3 (.919)
Rafael Nadal 33 2 9,850 23-4 (.852)
Dominic Thiem 26 3 7,045 25-8 (.758)
Roger Federer 38 4 6,630 13-4 (.765)
Daniil Medvedev 24 5 5,890 17-8 (.680)
Stefanos Tsitsipas 21 6 4,745 29-11 (.725)
Alexander Zverev 22 7 3,630 16-11 (.593)
Matteo Berrettini 23 8 2,860 10-10 (.500)
Gael Monfils 33 9 2,860 23-10 (.697)
David Goffin 29 10 2,555 15-12 (.556)
As the defending champ at both the US and French Opens, Nadal also has a lot of points to defend this fall if, again, things go on as scheduled. And depending on what else does or doesn't get rescheduled, Roland Garros could be the only clay event remaining in 2020. That can only help Djokovic's cause. He trails Federer by 28 weeks, and it's quite possible he matches exactly 28 weeks after the clock restarts.


Rafael Nadal, No. 2 on the all-time Grand Slam titles list at 19, has a lot of points to defend this fall as the defending champ at both the US and French Opens. AP Photo/Christophe Ena
Obstacles remain

When Djokovic is on his game, it's easy to assume everything is mere formality. It's easy to see him winning the next three Slams to tie Federer at 20 and remaining far and away the No. 1-ranked player for 28 weeks to catch him there, too.

None of this felt like a formality two years ago, though.

In May 2018, Djokovic fell to 22nd in the ATP rankings. He missed the second half of 2017 due to a long-lingering elbow injury, and while he returned for the 2018 Australian Open, he lost in the fourth round and underwent another surgery. From 2016 Wimbledon to the 2018 French Open, he reached only one Slam final. He returned to the ATP Tour in March of 2018 but was far from his top form and allegedly told his wife he was ready to retire.

Meanwhile, the tennis world was moving on without him. Nadal and Federer were still the top two, 27-year-old Grigor Dimitrov was up to fifth and appeared to be reaching his prime, oft-injured Juan Martin del Potro was healthy and back up to sixth and, perhaps most scary, the next generation of stars was approaching. Alexander Zverev was up to No. 3 at age 21, while 24-year-old Dominic Thiem was eighth and would soon reach the French Open final.

Djokovic rebounded, of course. He reached the 2018 French Open quarterfinals, then won an unexpected Wimbledon title. That kick-started a run of five titles in seven Slams. It might take another injury to knock him off track, but he was a virtual nonfactor on tour for most of two years. That period served as a clear reminder of both what it takes for him to reach his top form and how long it takes to return to said form if he picks up a knock. Plus, he's about to turn 33. Each injury could take longer to recover from with age.


There is a lot of depth to challenge the all-time record in the next generation of players. There are 20 24-and-under players in the ATP top 50, led by Russian Daniil Medvedev. AP Photo/Adam Hunger
The next generation up for the challenge

There's also something out of Djokovic's control: the level of competition.

A sport produces cycles or generations of athletes, and the one that followed Nadal and Djokovic failed to challenge the Big Three (or four, including Murray) in any meaningful way. Marin Cilic, Kei Nishikori, Milos Raonic and del Potro remain dangerous when healthy, but injuries have been constant issues -- especially for del Potro, the most dangerous of the bunch -- and they have combined for just two Grand Slams between them. There's nothing saying steadily healthy versions of these players would have ever knocked the Big Three off of its collective perch, but they could have at least won a few more head-to-heads in Slams and changed the career race a bit.

This lost generation is pretty noticeable in the current ATP rankings. Among the top 20 are seven players aged 31 or older, nine 24 and younger and only four in between: No. 3 Thiem (26), No. 10 David Goffin (29), No. 13 Diego Schwartzman (27) and No. 19 Dimitrov (28), who dramatically lost his form in 2018, then battled injury in 2019. Raonic is 30th, Nishikori 31st, Cilic 37th and del Potro hasn't played an ATP match since last June.

Granted, three-time Grand Slam champion Stan Wawrinka didn't find his best form until he was nearly 29, so it's possible that a player in his upper 20s still has time to break through. Thiem, for instance, has reached two French Open finals and has beaten Nadal three times on clay in the past three years. If he were to finally end Nadal's Roland Garros reign, that clears the deck a bit for Djokovic. But if there is to be a sustained assault on the Big Three, it will likely come from the latest generation of potential stars.

Daniil Medvedev (currently No. 5) reached the US Open final last year and stretched Nadal deep into a fifth set. Stefanos Tsitsipas (No. 6) reached his first Slam semifinal in the 2019 Australian Open, won the ATP Finals and beat each of the Big Three at least once in 2019. Zverev (No. 7) has battled slumps but made his first Slam semifinal at the 2020 Australian Open, won the ATP Finals in 2018 and boasts three titles at Masters-level events. And he's only 23.

Better yet, there's depth in this generation. There are 20 24-and-under players in the ATP top 50, and seven of them are 21 or younger. There's no reliance on just one player to sustain a charge.

The Top 20 24-And-Under Players
PLAYER AGE ATP RANK* ATP POINTS RECORD SINCE US OPEN
Daniil Medvedev 24 5 5,890 17-8 (.680)
Stefanos Tsitsipas 21 6 4,745 29-11 (.725)
Alexander Zverev 23 7 3,630 16-11 (.593)
Matteo Berrettini 23 8 2,860 10-10 (.500)
Andrey Rublev 22 14 2,234 31-8 (.795)
Karen Khachanov 23 15 2,120 17-15 (.531)
Denis Shapovalov 20 16 2,075 20-14 (.588)
Cristian Garin 23 18 1,900 18-13 (.581)
Felix Auger-Aliassime 19 20 1,771 15-13 (.536)
Taylor Fritz 22 24 1,510 12-13 (.480)
Alex de Minaur 21 26 1,485 16-7 (.696)
Hubert Hurkacz 23 29 1,353 10-10 (.500)
Borna Coric 23 33 1,320 8-12 (.400)
Casper Ruud 21 36 1,279 13-9 (.591)
Reilly Opelka 22 39 1,177 14-9 (.609)
Nick Kyrgios 24 40 1,170 8-4 (.667)
Ugo Humbert 21 42 1,111 13-8 (.619)
Lorenzo Sonego 24 46 1,030 3-11 (.214)
Miomir Kecmanovic 20 47 1,028 10-10 (.500)
Yoshihito Nishioka 24 48 1,007 13-10 (.565)
* ATP rankings through March 2020
Djokovic has to win at least four more Grand Slams to hold the record alone, and it's possible that, even if he remains the favorite for most Slams moving forward, the odds of winning any given one could be diminishing because the field of challengers is getting deeper. Advanced stats suggested at the beginning of the year that the Big Three might win only half the Slams in 2020-21.

There is a race-against-time element here, both in terms of how long Djokovic (and Nadal and Federer) can remain near peak effectiveness and how long before a new generation of players proves capable of actually scarfing up some Slams. Djokovic will likely retain the No. 1 ranking long enough to surpass Federer's record, but winning Slams is a lot harder than the Big Three has made it look. Perhaps there's still room to wonder about that one.

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