Doping. Nie tylko o tenisie.

[DUN I LOVE]

A nas bawią wpisy nadalistów w tym temacie. Życie.

No ta próba porównywania ekonomii gry jednego i drugiego to faktycznie mocne.

[Robertinho]

No i bez tych napin na forum stagnacja. A jak wczoraj jak ruszyło, to od razu aktywność rośnie wszędzie i wszystkich.

[robpal]

No i bez tych napin na forum stagnacja. A jak wczoraj jak ruszyło, to od razu aktywność rośnie wszędzie i wszystkich.

Pomyśl, co będzie jutro, jak Gulbas na mecz będzie serwować

[MG FCB]

No i bez tych napin na forum stagnacja. A jak wczoraj jak ruszyło, to od razu aktywność rośnie wszędzie i wszystkich.

Pomyśl, co będzie jutro, jak Gulbas na mecz będzie serwować

Federaści oszaleją ze szczęścia.

[robpal]

Anti-doping expert criticises tennis's attempts to step up test programme

One of sport's most respected anti-doping experts has issued a damning indictment of tennis's attempts to step up its drug-testing programme, questioning whether it has the money or the desire to makeit work.

Tennis last week announced it is to adopt the athlete biological passport, which effectively tests for the likely existence of drugs rather than for specific substances, but Don Catlin, considered to be one of the founders of modern drug-testing, said it is wasting its time.

"I would tell them not to bother," Catlin told the Guardian. "They're better off to increase the number of tests they do rather than spend it all on the passport. Doubling or tripling urine tests would be of more value than starting a passport because you need such a long lead-in. You need data over four or five years."

Catlin is the man behind the renowned UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory, which he ran for 25 years. Now president and chief executive officer of Anti-Doping Research, a company in Los Angeles, he remains deeply involved in the science of sport and believes tennis is reacting to pressure rather than tackling the big problems for the right reasons.

"It seems it's because there's so much flak in the newspapers that they're trying to do something," he said. "A lot of it looks like grandstanding – whenever there's pressure, sport wakes up and looks to do something but then they realise later that it's not really [changed] anything.

"It's always hard to be critical of someone when they're trying to do something that's worthwhile. But if you're only taking two steps when 100 are needed, it's not going to work. If you started with the top 100 male players, that would be a good representation and then if you test them five times a year … but [tennis] probably can't afford to do that or doesn't want to. If you don't start with something of that magnitude, you're not going to get far."

Instead of testing for specific, performance-enhancing drugs, the passport creates individual blood profiles. If athletes deviate from set parameters over time, that can be enough to open a doping case. Having seen its success in cycling and athletics, tennis doubtless hopes to win back some of the trust it lost in recent months through criticism it was not testing enough. The likes of Andy Murray and Roger Federer have also called for more testing, saying that the revelations about cyclist Lance Armstrong had opened their eyes to the possibility tennis could be tainted.

But though prize money in tennis continues to rise – Novak Djokovic and Victoria Azarenka each received $2.5m (£1.67m) for winning the Australian Open in January – the anti-doping budget was just $2m in 2012, including $400,000 to administer the programme.

In signing up to the passport last week, the funding partners in the programme, the International Tennis Federation (ITF), the Association of Tennis Professionals, Women's Tennis Association and four grand slam events, agreed to increase their contributions, lifting the overall budget to an estimated $3.5m. The authorities have yet to confirm when the passport will begin or how extensive it will be, but Catlin said he thought the budget was still way too low.

"The theory (of the passport) is you get the right person at the right times and test them four to five times and then they'll move toward a mean (in their levels). Then if they depart from that mean in the future you can nab them," said Catlin, who admitted that legal issues can make "nabbing" them difficult. "(But) they're going to need so much more than just having more testing; there have got to be experts to interpret the results, people to put in the data and people to double-check it. You can't do much until you get three more samples from a person. Then you start to build. But if you're not doing enough testing the value is not going to be effective. Tennis has the wherewithal to do more. They need to spend more money on research. That's the same through all of sport."

Tennis already tests for EPO (erythropoietin, through urine) and HGH (human growth hormone, through blood), but though American Wayne Odesnik was caught bringing vials of HGH to Australia in 2010, Catlin said you would have to be verging on stupid to test positive for it. "All you have to do is stop for a few hours and you won't get caught," he said.

In a statement, the ITF defended the decision to adopt the passport. "The Anti-Doping Working Group has identified the introduction of biological passports as a key enhancement of the detection and deterrence of doping under the Tennis Anti-Doping Programme," said Dr Stuart Miller, who runs the programme. "The implementation of the passport in accordance with Wada's [the World Anti-Doping Agency] recommendations, including the required budget, is now being discussed by the four parties in the programme."

Catlin said unless tennis finds significantly more money to do enough tests, things will barely change. "They're way behind other sports, in my opinion," he said. "Doping's never going to go away; there needs to be independent testing."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/ma ... ug-testing

[Joao]

Celem ożywienia wątku zadam pytanie: Co byś zrobił(a), gdyby okazało się, że tenisista, któremu kibicujesz przyjmuje środki dopingujące?

[Alan]

Mnie interesuje to czy zostaną przyznane szlemy po Nadalu, czy będą to edycje bez triumfatora? Jak to jest uregulowane w tenisie?

[robpal]

Mnie interesuje to czy zostaną przyznane szlemy po Nadalu, czy będą to edycje bez triumfatora? Jak to jest uregulowane w tenisie?

Wszystkie 20 dostanie Federer.

[grzes430]

Mnie interesuje to czy zostaną przyznane szlemy po Nadalu, czy będą to edycje bez triumfatora? Jak to jest uregulowane w tenisie?

Wszystkie 20 dostanie Federer.

20?
Policzyłem wszystkie szlemy Nadala, Djokovica, Murraya, Del Potro i ciągle brakuje mi jednego skalpa, pomóż.

[Alan]

Ale poważnie pytam. Co by było gdyby Puerta wygrał Roland Garros 2005?

[SebastianK]

Ale poważnie pytam. Co by było gdyby Puerta wygrał Roland Garros 2005?

W tej kwestii nie ma zdaje się regulacji, wszystko zależy od tego jak organizacja uzna. Dla przykładu w niektórych przypadkach medale są przyznawane tym którzy byli pierwszymi niezłapanymi - jak ostatnio Ziółkowski. Z kolei w innych przypadkach - jak Armstronga - nie wyznaczono zwycięzcy.

A jakby to było w tenisie gdyby zlikwidowano dopingowiczów ? Nie wiem bo nie chce mi się liczyć, ale bez liczenia, ta z grubszą mogę powiedzieć, że Sampras wciąż dzierżyłby palmę pierwszeństwa jeśli chodzi o liczbę wygranych turniejów wielkoszlemowych.

[robpal]

Alan - Kordzie nic nie zabrali, tak samo jak Wilanderowi i Hingis. Gdyby przyłapali jakieś grube nazwisko (i chcieli się z tym obnosić, w co bardzo wątpię) podczas wygranego turnieju, to obstawiam, że może za ten jeden by zabrali.
Wedle mojej wiedzy przepisy nie regulują tej kwestii.

[polo90]

Nadal na pewno nie brał dopingu. Widziałem niedawny wywiad w CNN w którym skrytykował Armstronga.
Po prostu ma świetną kondycję.

[Robertinho]

Nadal na pewno nie brał dopingu. Widziałem niedawny wywiad w CNN w którym skrytykował Armstronga.

Ale za przyznanie się?

[Jacques D.]

Celem ożywienia wątku zadam pytanie: Co byś zrobił(a), gdyby okazało się, że tenisista, któremu kibicujesz przyjmuje środki dopingujące?

Ja już to przechodziłem przy Martinie: osobiście zupełnie mnie to nie przekonało, zwłaszcza że okoliczności sprawy były co najmniej niejasne i kontrowersyjne.

Poza tym chyba nie mam się czego obawiać: moi ulubieńcy nigdy szczególną wytrzymałością ani zaangażowaniem nie grzeszyli (koksujący Ivan ), na nadludzi nie pozują, więc chyba nie mam się o co martwić. Chyba że Djoko, ale to chyba przeżyję bez jakiejś traumy.

[kurcaczeudo]

Celem ożywienia wątku zadam pytanie: Co byś zrobił(a), gdyby okazało się, że tenisista, któremu kibicujesz przyjmuje środki dopingujące?

Nieustanna chęć dominacji, władzy, bycia najlepszym, posiadania coraz większej ilości pieniędzy, często zamienia ludzi w niewolników własnych demonów wybujałej ambicji. Tereźniejsze oblicze sportu, ma z rzeczonym sportem coraz mniej wspólnego. Rywalizacja gladiatorów, śrubowanie kolejnych, niemożliwych wręcz do złamania barier ludzkiej wytrzymałości - to wszystko, bardzo często kosztem własnego zdrowia, reputacji.

Paradoksalnie, trzeba być gotowym na każdy z możliwych scenariuszy. Mity są po to, żeby służyć ludziom, nie na odwrót... Warto to zapamiętać.

[robpal]

Dzisiejszy finał jest dobrym powodem do odświeżenia.

Passports should end doping system "disaster:" Berdych

(Reuters) - Current anti-doping measures in tennis are a "disaster" and the introduction of biological passports can only improve matters, world number six Tomas Berdych said.

"The system right now... I don't know how it works with the others but with me, it does not work at all," the Czech told Reuters in an interview at the Monte Carlo Masters this week.

"You have to say every single day... where you are. I've done this for three or four years already and I had only two tests out of the tournaments," Berdych said.

"So why do I have to do this all the time and then they come twice in four years? It's just like complete nonsense."

Under International Tennis Federation (ITF) rules, players must give their location for at least one hour of each day in case they are required for an out-of-competition drugs test, usually by means of a urine sample.

"If some people were hired to think about that and have come up with this kind of idea, if it was me, I would have fired them straight away," Berdych said.

"This system is a complete disaster. So whatever they're going to do differently, it's going to be good, new or whatever."

The ITF said last month it would introduce biological passports for players this year, in line with measures adopted in other sports such as cycling.

The new system, under which test results are collated over time to enable testers to track any changes which might indicate doping, would involve more blood tests being done every year, the federation said.

According to their website (www.itftennis.com), the ITF carried out 21 out-of-competition blood tests in professional tennis in 2011.

By comparison, cycling's world governing body UCI conducted 3,314 in the same year.

Top players, including 17-times grand-slam winner Roger Federer, have welcomed the introduction of biological passports in tennis and Berdych added his backing.

"Sure, I'm definitely on this side. There should be more tests," Berdych said.

World number nine Richard Gasquet of France also praised the new system.

"We still have urine tests that are a bit behind the times and we know that potential cheats always are way ahead," he told Reuters.

Urine tests can detect many drugs including EPO, one of several substances taken by disgraced former Tour de France cycling champion Lance Armstrong, but only blood tests can detect human growth hormone.

World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) head John Fahey earlier this year called on tennis officials to increase the number of blood tests.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/ ... 7220130421

[robpal]

The blood bags collected in Puerto trial are to be destroyed, when sentence confirmed, not investigated further.

Banda oszustów.

[robpal]

Fuentes powiedział, że sprzeda listę dopingowiczów gazecie, która mu zapłaci najwięcej
El Pais donosi, że licytacja trwa, na razie osiągnięto 100 tysięcy euro.

Żenada, bo niestety nie uwierzę w ani jedno nazwisko, jeśli w ten sposób to przedstawia.

[Rodżer Anderłoter]

Przecież musi mieć hajs na adwokatów, jakby go pozwali za oszczerstwa.